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Achievements at the Research School of Earth Sciences
What would you regard as the
most important research achievements of the GFD group that you led at RSES?
Most important to me is the
interdisciplinary research, establishing the connection between the processes
in the ocean and in liquid rocks. The experiments with Lew Gustafson
demonstrated that you can produce density differences near boundaries due to
crystallisation, and that can stratify the surroundings.
Also there were earlier experiments
that I did with Herbert Huppert, a former colleague in Cambridge
who came for many periods of sabbatical leave in Canberra. During his first sabbatical we did
experiments on melting ice in stratified surroundings spurred, actually, by a
suggestion that you might tow icebergs from the Antarctic to arid coastlines.
We showed that in fact the meltwater would not just rise to the surface where
it could be scooped or pumped off; there would instead be considerable mixing
with the surroundings, and in a stratified ocean none of the water would get to
the surface at all. It would spread out in layers in the interior.
We later realised that the
crystallisation or melting were essentially the same dynamical process. If you
looked outside the boundary at the environment, then in each case you were producing
a boundary layer of different composition: in one case with the solid boundary
extending by crystallisation, in the other case with the boundary receding,
but in both cases with dynamics of the flow outside that were exactly the same.
That and some later experiments prompted Herbert and me to write a review
article comparing the different processes in geological contexts and
oceanographic ones in which double-diffusive convection was important. It appeared
in an issue of the Journal of Fluid Mechanics which was the Editors'
Volume after 25 years of the journal, all editors were asked to write
unrefereed papers.
But at the end of this review we
asked ourselves: is it possible to deliberately organise crossover of
information from one field to another? Is it likely that a geologist would read
a paper on melting icebergs and draw the right conclusions about the importance
in his field? We had to concede that, unfortunately, you can't organise such crossover.
Really, that depends on individuals, on people with different perspectives on a
common physical problem getting together. It helps if people work in
multidisciplinary institutions like the Research School of Earth Sciences and
others which have interests across the boundaries of the two fields, but I believe
that you really can't organise such interactions from the top down. The boss
can't say, 'Let's do this together,' and put people to do it. It has got to
come from individuals.
What other interdisciplinary or
multidisciplinary collaborations would you say were important to you?
One of the most rewarding
collaborations I have had was again a very multidisciplinary one. Herbert
Huppert, a mathematician, and Stephen Sparks, a perceptive field geologist, came
for six months to Canberra
and we worked in the laboratory together on problems of mixing in magma
chambers. Each of us brought to the subject something that the others didn't
have. We couldn't expect to become an expert in anybody else's field but we needed
to understand enough of what they were talking about to be plausible
collaborators.
Another important collaborator, Ian
Campbell, at first was a visitor from Toronto
and then came on the RSES staff. He was interested in replenished magma
chambers magma of different composition coming in to the bottom of the
chamber and mixing with the surroundings in a way that caused the precipitation
of ore. Particularly, platinum ores can be formed if you have enough mixing
between the incoming magma and the resident magma.
A very unlikely interdisciplinary
project arose out of that. At the same time Doug Baines another person who
had been a visitor to Cambridge and was on sabbatical in Canberra had come with
an interesting problem of heating large buildings such as aircraft hangars from
the top, where you pump in hot air and form a layer which extends down towards
the floor without obstructing the floor. We realised that these two problems
are physically and dynamically exactly the same, except one is turned upside
down. The mixing in magma chambers with a 'fountain' of dense fluid coming in from the bottom and the
aircraft hangar with hot air coming from the top could both be studied by doing
experiments in salt and fresh water. So we published a paper together which was
applicable to both these rather unlikely different problems. (Ian Campbell
later left the GFD group and went on to be head of the Ore Genesis group in RSES.)
An edited transcript of the full interview can be found at http://www.science.org.au/scientists/st.htm.
Focus questions
- Turner talks about the suggestion of towing icebergs from the Antarctic as a source of freshwater for arid coastlines. When he investigated this idea, what problems did he identify?
- What are some advantages of multidisciplinary research as described by Turner?
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